Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.09 21:24:00 -
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Here's my opinion:
I like the CD-STV system, as suggested in Trebor's original statement.
1.) To all those advocating the Droop Counting System.... get real.... its terrible!!! Votes don't need to be "Maximized"!!! In short, leave overvotes alone
--- Assume standard STV system, where players designate their own votes: How do you reassign overvotes fairly? For example, suppose Trebor received 1000k overvotes.... which of his 1000 voters' votes get reassigned? Is it random, is it a FIFO or LIFO system? And why does anyone get their votes reassigned?? Everyone that voted for trebor is getting their preferred candidate in, so their votes are perfectly placed!!!!
--- Assuming CD-STV, and we have an easily gamed system. Imagine a voting block like the goons put all 10k votes into the Mitanni. He had X thousand overvotes, which will be transfered to elect his second, and then potentially third choice. Rather than voting for the best candidate, all votes for the Mitanni become a vote for his entire bloc, which allows extremely easy gaming of the system to maximize bloc-votes. People should be voting for individual candidates, NOT candidate GROUPS.
The concept of an overvotes being a wasted vote is just ridiculous!!!!! We're talking about candidate elections here (not party elections), and any system centered around min-maxing the votes is begging to be gamed!!!!
2.) Will this system enable the CSM to be gamed.... potentially... For example, if Goons split up their 10k votes amoung 5 candidates, all with the right alternate transfer list, they may have easily ended with an overshare of CSM members.... However, depending on the placement of the uncounted 15k votes (most of which probably were not Goons), its very hard to tell how much influence they would end up with. Pretending all the Mittani votes were goons (which they obviously weren't), even if they split up their votes perfectly, their 10k out of 60k votes should get them 1/6th of the council seats. I see absolutely no problems with that, and by NOT maximizing overvotes, maximzing the votes of a Bloc becomes much more difficult. This makes it harder to game the system, while still allowing voting blocks to ensure their own representation. |